Garmin GPSMAP 78 First Impressions
After checking out the guts of my Garmin GPSMAP 78sc yesterday I’ve had a chance to play with Garmin’s newest handheld marine GPS. For the most part the GPSMAP 78 is a Dakota that floats and employs real buttons instead of a touch screen. The size and layout are very similar to its predecessor, the GPSMAP 76. There are a few notable differences I thought I would post before I get into the hardcore testing of this new unit.
Hardware
This unit is very large, especially the 2.6″ width. Although Garmin’s web site says it is only 0.2″ wider than the 60CSx, I measured mine last night and it is closer to 0.4″ wider. Overall it is similar in form to the 76CSx which it is intended to replace. This unit is not something I would want to bring on the trail or bike, you definitely pay the price in terms of size to get a GPS that floats. I was also disappointed to find that the GPSMAP 78 does not use the same mounting system as the Colorado, Oregon, Dakota, 60CSx or 76CSx. That means investing in new mounts for bikes, cars, and boats even if you already own or have previously owned one of these other devices. On the positive side the GPSMAP provides you with serial (4-pin Garmin) and MCX external antenna ports which don’t seem to be on the recently announced GPSMAP 62, the Oregon or the Dakota.
Software
The most interesting new software enhancement is an upgrade to the Calendar tool. Like the 60CSx’s Calendar you can see daily events such as marked waypoints, logged tracks, and geocache attempts. By selecting a particular day you get a summary of that day’s activities and by hitting <ENTER> you can view a detailed list of those activities. Geocachers in particular will like the daily summary – for each day you can see your finds and total attempts and the daily list displays your attempts in the order you recorded the fieldnotes. Once (and I’m being hopeful here) Garmin brings back the daily/weekly track archiving feature which appeared in an earlier Oregon beta this will become an even more useful tool.
The Map page measure distance tool is another welcome addition. You can select a location on the map (or use your current location) and measure the distance to any other arbitrary location on the map. The line between your two selected points and a little pop-up in the lower right hand corner will display the distance .
Mariners will be happy to see proximity alarms have been added to the GPSMAP 78. Proximity alarms allow you to set up audible and visual alerts when you are within a specified distance of a particular waypoint. Similarly, when you exit the proximity ring you get an alarm. Any waypoint can have a proximity radius added to it and proximity alarms can be created directly on the unit, no need to use User POIs like the Oregon and Dakota. Proximity rings also display on the map page as red circles. Tone control on the GPSMAP 78 is much more configurable and provides the ability to associate about 20 tones with different events. Again, useful for boaters who rely on proximity alarms and the various marine alarms (anchor drag, off course, etc).
The menu system is another departure from the Oregon and Dakota mainly because of the move away from a touchscreen to real buttons. The GPSMAP has a Main Menu like the Oregon where all of the tools (ie. Setup, Satellite, Map) can be accessed. Unlike the Oregon and Dakota, the GPSMAP allows you to create a Page Sequence which pulls tools out of the Main Menu into a short sequence controlled by the <PAGE> and <QUIT> keys as it would on 60CSx. In addition Garmin provides a Page Ribbon which is a widget that pops up and allows you to quickly scroll back and forth through a set of floating icons and select a page in the Page Sequence. This is faster than cycling through the pages themselves but is controlled the same way using the <PAGE> and <QUIT> keys. The Page Ribbon can be disabled for a “classic” 60CSx feel. The Main Menu, Setup and Find screens can also be configured to look different. A list view and two grid views are provided. Enabling either of the grid views makes all three screens look similar to the “classic” 60CSx menu screen. The list view which I prefer leaves these screens in an Oregon-like list view.
When the Colorado came out users complained about the lack of a day/night color mode which they had enjoyed on the GPSMAP 60/72. The GPSMAP 78 brings this oft requested feature back and it would also be most useful on the Oregon and Dakota where screen and menu colors really have an impact on readability.
GPS Performance
I haven’t hand enough time to come to any final conclusions on the GPS performance but so far it looks extremely positive. The test tracks I’ve taken so far with and without WAAS are very accurate when compared to my test track which is based on data from 100+ tracks on 7 different GPS units over 2 years. The GPSMAP 78 test tracks haven’t had any more than a 25′ deviation from the reference and the track and odometer readings are all within 2% which is amazing but I’ll need to see results over several weeks at different times of day to say for sure this unit is as good as it seems right now.
Screen brightness is another area I haven’t been able to test to my satisfaction. So far the display seems to be at least as good as the Dakota but I haven’t been able to get out in bright direct or bright overcast conditions yet. In my experience the latter is the hardest for the Dakota and Oregon and is where the 60CSx/72CSx really excel.
If there is anything you would like to see on the GPSMAP 78 post a note here or join the discussion over at the newly created Garmin GPSMAP 62 and 78 wiki.
As with all new models, I recommend REI if you are thinking about buying a GPSMAP 78 because of their 100% satisfaction guarantee. REI has the 78 and 78s in stock for $349.99 and $399.99 if you are interested in getting one for your next summer boating, canoeing or kayaking trip.
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June 3rd, 2010 at 3:37 pm
Good stuff Scott! Nice find on the calendar. Got my first good field test in today on some switchbacks, and it performed pretty well. I’m liking the interface too.
June 3rd, 2010 at 4:42 pm
Screenshots arent linked?
June 3rd, 2010 at 5:37 pm
Any idea how many geocaches can be put it? Does it support field notes?
June 3rd, 2010 at 8:15 pm
Bob,
I’ve successfully loaded 3000 geocaches and it fails with just over 5000 so I’m assuming 5000 but I haven’t had a chance to run that test yet. Fieldnotes are supported just the same as the Oregon/Colorado/Dakota.
-Scott
June 3rd, 2010 at 9:49 pm
Can it do Wherigo?
June 3rd, 2010 at 10:02 pm
Nope, no Wherigo and no 3D view.
June 4th, 2010 at 3:46 pm
do custom POI’s show up in the calander when you find them?
June 4th, 2010 at 3:50 pm
Bob,
When you say “find a POI” what do you mean?
-Scott
June 4th, 2010 at 8:24 pm
1) Can you set a daily tracklog archive to record on the mSD card (like the 76CSx yyyymmdd.gpx files)?
2) Can GPX tracks not originating on that GPS, be uploaded to the mSD card and then viewed on the GPS?
In general, I want it (actually, it’s the 62s that I’d buy) to have at least the same tracklog capabilities as my 60Cx as I use it for map making and geo-coding photos.
Thanks.
June 4th, 2010 at 8:46 pm
1) Not yet. Two months ago Garmin beta tested this feature on the Oregon but pulled it back out. I’m hoping eventually it makes its way back into the product line.
2) Yes. You can load them to internal memory or the SD card and view them in the Track Manager, navigate to them, check elevation profiles, etc.
-Scott
June 5th, 2010 at 9:59 pm
I’ve been using a 76CSx for the last 3 years for bike trail mapping and hunting. The size of the unit is only an issue if I want to set the bike upside down on bars & seat.
eTrex series with click stick stinks on a bike.
Colorado and Oregon have been very hard to see well on handlebars. 60 series requires two hands to operate and can’t enter data on it while setting on a surface without holding it.
Glad to see that they updated it to allow more tracks shown. I have 178 trails in my network, 20 limits how much I can see.
Does 78 let you see track name if cursor placed over it? (Garmin shortcoming – it helps when using a small GPS screen)
June 19th, 2010 at 3:54 pm
I dropped by RadioWorld (Toronto) and put the GPSMAP78 into my bracket for the 76. No problem at all. It’s a nice snug fit with no play. So I would not find the mounting to be a problem at all.
June 19th, 2010 at 9:55 pm
Thanks Daniel, I assumed that the 76 mounts would not work on the 78 since they weren’t listed on the accessories page. It’s good to hear that users upgrading can potential reuse some of their old gear.
-Scott
June 21st, 2010 at 6:12 am
Does anybody know when we will hace the “proximity alarm” feature in our Dakotas and Colorados?
June 21st, 2010 at 8:04 am
Thais, Not sure. But I agree, it would be a nice feature to have. Hopefully it will be easy to backport to the OR/DK.
-Scott
June 22nd, 2010 at 11:02 pm
I bought a 78S yesterday. I found and I have a problem whit them when I want to disconnect the device from my computer. I clicked “safe to remove hardver and eject media”, I selected GPSMAP 78S from the list then the device switched off. I tried with 3 compters and 3 operation systems (win 7, XP, Ubuntu). If I just disconennect the cable the device swithes off too.
Please help! It is a bug, or my device is faulty?
June 24th, 2010 at 9:10 am
Zsolt,
It is typical for the device to turn off once disconnected from USB mass storage mode. You need to power it back on once you have disconnected the cable.
-Scott
June 25th, 2010 at 2:05 pm
My 76cx does the same thing.
August 3rd, 2010 at 5:30 am
I wait for my dakota 10,did not see in the manual something about proximity alarms,i thought is kinda standard..i will send an email asking for this feature ( whithout this is half useless for me) ,Thais please do the same
August 3rd, 2010 at 8:28 am
Unfortunately the Dakota does not support proximity alarms. There is hope however! The new GPSMAP 62/78 support proximity alarms and are based on similar software to the Oregon/Dakota. Hopefully Garmin will decide to backport these features.
-Scott
August 3rd, 2010 at 10:52 am
That’s good news,Scott
can you belive i sold my 76csx to buy the dakota?
August 19th, 2010 at 7:42 am
Hi Scott,
Yo say : “…any waypoint can have a proximity radius added to it and proximity alarms can be created directly on the unit, no need to use User POIs like the Oregon and Dakota”.
Are you sure? I have tried that on my Dakota 20 with POIloader, and I can set a “proximity alarm”, as I can see in the display of my device, but I dont get the acustic alerts…..
Also, with mapsource I can set the same distance alerts on the waypoints, but I dont get any sounds when aproacching to the points….
August 19th, 2010 at 8:48 am
I believe the Dakota/Oregon POI proximity alerts only work when you are auto-routing (vs. off road).
-Scott
August 20th, 2010 at 2:33 am
You are right, Scott. It works fine whit City Navigator, but only if the POI is on the route you drive. It doesn´t work if you set a distance alert and the POI is not “on the way”.
We will wait for new firms. The feature has been implemented in the GPSMAP 62 and 78, so It seems we will have that soon….
December 26th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
Hi,I am looking into purchasing a GPS,I bought a lowrance H2Oc and find it very difficult to use and taking it back.For my main use is hunting and creating trails that I can revisit on crown land behind my water access cottage in northern ontario.I’m closely looking at the Garmin GPSmap 62 s but after a bit of research see the 78 floats. And when they say water proof does that mean if you drop it over board it will be ok?
Steve
December 26th, 2010 at 10:40 pm
Steve,
The 62 and 78 are almost identical including the screen size and resolution. The only difference is that the 78 floats because of the larger (hollow) case. If you need something that floats go w/the 78. If you don’t go with the 62 to get a little smaller device.
-Scott
March 6th, 2011 at 12:50 am
Early in your review you mention that one can measure the distance between 2 points. How does one select the 1st point if it is not the current position?
March 14th, 2011 at 2:54 am
Scott
Did you see my question?
March 16th, 2011 at 8:08 am
Chris,
To measure distance:
1) Goto the map page
2) Move the cursor on the map to the location you want to measure from.
3) Hit the MENU button
4) Select Measure Distance
5) Move the cursor to the “to” location
6) Distance appears above the line and the data field in bottom right corner.
-Scott
July 13th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
Is the screen size on the 78 the same as the 76? I own a 78 but have been having a hard time finding a screen protector (Zagg) for it.
July 13th, 2011 at 1:47 pm
They are different sizes: 1.43″x2.15″ for the 78 and 1.6″x2.2″ for the 76 but I believe you can get Zagg’s for both:
The 78 is the same as the 62 which is here:
http://www.zagg.com/invisibleshield/garmin-gps-map-62st-cases-screen-protectors-covers-skins-shields.php
The 76 is here:
http://www.zagg.com/invisibleshield/garmin-gpsmap-76cs-cases-screen-protectors-covers-skins-shields.php
-Scott
July 13th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
Thanks Scott
You wouldn’t happen to know where I could get a decent case for the 78 would you? I’ve seen some great ones for the 60series (that allow you to see the screen while bushwhacking) but choices for the 78 have been slim pickings
July 14th, 2011 at 5:03 pm
There are very few cases for the 78 you can use in the field. -Scott
November 23rd, 2011 at 10:03 pm
How in the world do u delete geocaches on 78 garmin
November 25th, 2011 at 9:19 am
You need to delete the gpx file in the /Garmin/GPX directory containing the geocaches. There is no way to delete them on the unit itself.
-Scott